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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 494 for the 8th of April

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2018 Richardson is here with you from

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the middle of the Sun the surface of the

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Sun some pit of hell well don't mind me

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it's just that this long summer doesn't

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seem to want to go away we've had

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record-breaking heat for this time of

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the year in Sydney it's warm outside

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toasty warm not so humid which is a good

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thing but oh I think I'm looking forward

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to cooler days surely just ahead but I

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notice in the UK they've had extremely

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cold weather for this time of the year

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in fact my sister and her family are

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visiting relatives in Scotland right now

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I hadn't bro what a wonderful place that

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is and she's been sending back pictures

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of snow-capped hills around Edinburgh

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and one of my niece holding a giant

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snowball

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fight but you don't want to hear about

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the weather in Sydney in Edinburgh or

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maybe you do I don't know what's coming

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up on this week's episode of the sceptic

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zone we're going to start in a moment

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with a an updated over view a an

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addition to the prediction project I've

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been mentioning for some time now and

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you heard about last week I'm going to

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read out before we get stuck into the

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show proper one of the predictions or

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one of the series of predictions that

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I've been dealing with from an

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astrologer called Milton Black who bills

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himself as Australia's leading

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astrologer and psychic and it might give

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you an idea as to some of the work that

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goes behind the scenes in doing

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something like this prediction project

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because it's not only collating the

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predictions which you would have heard

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we have the predictions it's trying to

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make sense of them and seeing whether or

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not they're true or false or wrong or

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right or too vague or if a prediction is

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a 50/50 shot like somebody's expecting

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will it be a boy or a girl

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and sometimes you're left scratching

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your head whether it's a prediction you

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can actually categorize or not we'll get

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to that soon and who knows you might be

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able to offer some insights after that

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it's a story that made the news here

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last week where a naturopath has been

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sent to prison to do some prison time

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for bad advice she gave to a client

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which resulted almost resulted in the

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death of a baby not quite but almost a

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cautionary tale I think this story is

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following that it's a radio segment the

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last radio segment I did on talking life

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style the network known as talking life

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style and that network or that

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particular station on the Macquarie

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network is now defunct well no not quite

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it changed from a talk based radio

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station into a sports based radio

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station so instead of talkback morning

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breakfast with talkback and then more or

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less advertorials through the daytime

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news now it's 24-hour sports

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nevertheless for the last six months

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I've been going on there every Tuesday

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morning to talk about all sorts of

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things mostly classical skepticism you

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know UFOs and Bigfoot and yeah he's in

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Australia anyway alternative medicine so

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I thought I would play to you my last

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very last appearance on the morning show

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with John Stanley and Gary Linnell

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and I'm sorry that relationship is now

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over it was very enjoyable of course to

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be on radio every week and spread the

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sceptical message after that it's a

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special report from our friend Susan go

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back from guerrilla skepticism who went

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along to a skeptic camp in Colorado and

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for thought to take something to record

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and she did some interviews and I think

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skeptic camp is a great idea I've been

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to many now in Sydney we don't think

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there's been one for a little while but

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I've been to Skepta camps in Sydney in

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Manchester I've been to a skeptic camp

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skeptic camp or two they're a wonderful

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idea and they're a great way for new

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people to be introduced to skepticism

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anyway some interviews from skeptic camp

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in Colorado coming up later in the show

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with susan gerbic then to round off the

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show some news about the upcoming March

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for science March for science next

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weekend and there'll be one here in

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Sydney I'll be relating some details

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that I discovered on the March for

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science website details specific to

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Australia but I think you can check out

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or Google March for science in your

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particular area but now let's have a

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look at this particular forecast by

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Milton black and I have maybe oh boy I

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have many of these forecasts to try and

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make sense of this particular one comes

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from 2010 2010 young black Australia's

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leading astrologer and psychic Astro

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view it says Milton is renowned for his

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uncanny and accurate forecasts on world

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politics and economics many a politician

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economist and trade has visited his

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website and read the monthly predictions

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concerning future global economical

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trends including subsequent stock market

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directions and positive overtones his

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predictions are astonishingly accurate

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there you go this one is from November

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2010 are you are November 2010 keeping

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abreast of the times with astrology

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November 2010 this is how the planets

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may influence the trends in the cycle

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ahead so any economists out there who

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remember this time in history hmm the

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monthly astrological forecasts with the

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aggressive planet Mars whizzing through

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speculative and spendthrift sign of

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Sagittarius this month and be prepared

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for some major activity happening at the

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marketplace and be ready for some

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surprising news regarding the global

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economy interest rates banking housing

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market employment oil and resources

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during November the global money market

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will be running rampant and with the US

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Federal Reserve showing future signs of

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additional monetary policy and interest

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rate tightening especially during the

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17th for the 30th be prepared the USA is

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showing a slight economic recovery

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period this month cautious confidence

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will be seen and trading will be

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vigorous on global markets however this

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is predicted to be short-lived you know

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unfortunately no dear unfortunately the

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US midterm elections will throw a whammy

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into the Democratic camp as Mars code

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the USA horoscope the USA horas get the

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whole country has a horoscope the USA

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horoscope striking up an array of

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opposition against the Democrats by

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local constituents in various states

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over the current government's handling

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of the Dollar General cost-of-living

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from meeting with the USA natal saturn

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and this will influence a major long

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turning point for america as the economy

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is pruned and restructured seriously i

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hope you're taking notes now there are

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many more paragraphs I'll just read one

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more so you don't have a meltdown in

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your car or walking the dog mm-hmm with

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first week of December now this is

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Earth Inc with Mars remaining in

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communication planet Mercury

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year investors will be chewing at the

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bit chewing at the bit I think that's

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saying is champion the bit anyway

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deciding whether to buy or sell stock as

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the market fluctuates quite aggressively

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profits can be made this month if care

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is taken the most interesting and tense

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week will be during the 15th through the

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21st and especially Wednesday the 17th

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to Friday the 19th the dollar is

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expected to rise during this period and

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trading we'll also be showing signs of a

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constructive rally the best type of

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service industries oil and gold with the

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global economy still fragile until March

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15 2011 government bonds would also be a

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good option to consider and it goes on

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for another full page talking about

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this month will also be favorable and

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profitable for those associated or work

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with taxation insurance banking credit

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dentistry you should see my latest denis

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bill two crowns i tell you what

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psychology criminology investigation

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secret service secret service big

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now this is the abridged version of the

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advice given on the on November in

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ten by milton black australia's leading

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astrologer and psychic and i have

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collected about in the order of 60 or 70

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of these predictions by using the

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wayback machine and taking copies of the

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website as published back then so that's

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something I hope I can get through for

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this project and try to condense his

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writings into a simple prediction I

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don't think I can do it i it's it's too

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long and rambling anyway this is part of

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the ongoing process if you're in

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economics guru and you can see something

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in that good luck good luck but we

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learned that the whole of the United

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States has a horoscope well well well

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that's enough for me at the moment boy

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is that more than enough for me at the

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moment I'm going to run downstairs I'm

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gonna run downstairs have a nice cool

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glass of lemonade with extra ice and

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break out one of my favorite ice creams

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I think Blue Ribbon vanilla good old

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Blue Ribbon vanilla ice cream

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perfect for a extremely warm autumn day

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well I'm doing all that and trying to

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recover from reading that the

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astrological economic prediction I hope

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you enjoy the skeptic zone

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[Music]

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in Australia named Marilyn Bodnar who's

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just been sentenced to 14 months

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imprisonment with a seven month

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non-parole period for endangering the

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life of a baby in fact if I look at

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news.com today you there's a report

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there naturopath jailed in starving baby

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case a naturopath who told a mother her

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baby vomiting was good for him has been

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sent to prison after the baby nearly

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died now this is candy Sutton reporting

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she goes on to say extreme diet

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naturopath Marylin Bodnar has been sent

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to prison for her role in the baby

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starvation case the 62 year old seems

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stunned and reluctant to leave as prison

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officers entered the courtroom to take

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her downstairs after she was given a 14

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month jail sentence told that she would

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have to accompany them to the cells

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below at Sydney's Downing's Court Bodnar

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said now the report says that the judge

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took into consideration her age 62 in

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considering the sentence but he

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described her ongoing advice to a

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breastfeeding mother to continue on raw

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food until death was a couple of days

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away for the baby was highly criminal

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the judge said that Banda had shown

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quote gross recklessness in quote and

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said alternative medicine practitioners

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had a responsibility not to harm others

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particularly children now it's also

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known that Bodnar in the 1980s was

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acquitted of manslaughter and after one

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of her clients starve to death on an

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extreme diet but in this case she had

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advised the breastfeeding mother to

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cease eating anything other than raw

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vegetables fruit and seeds to cure her

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baby's eczema Bogner is alleged to have

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told the boy's mother who is a midwife

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that vomiting was good because it purged

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the toxins that caused eczema the judge

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also took into consideration

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since Bogdan had been fronting the court

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she had been punished and suffered since

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July 2015 when she was arrested and the

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prosecutor in the case said that the

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community needed to be protected and

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that Bodnar had quote a blind adherence

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to her own ideology of alternative

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medicine this blind allegiance was the

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cause of a child nearly dying in quote

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he told the court Bodnar who has an

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alternative medicine practice in western

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sydney although I think that practices

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now-defunct beliefs fasting can make

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incurable diseases miraculously go away

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and we note the mother of the child was

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also sentenced to 14 months prison but

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that was suspended and harking back to

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the earlier case in the 1980s 1988 in

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1988 Bodnar was charged with

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manslaughter over the death of a woman

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who drank only water for 63 days Noel

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Nieman 42 lost more than 1/3 of her body

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weight under Bodnar's care weighing less

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than 40 kilos when she died a jury found

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Baden and not guilty after she argued

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that she was helping the lateness Neiman

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as a friend not a patient and of course

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we hear cries of well why doesn't the

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the naturopathic Board do something well

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there's there's really no such a

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mechanism and has often been said

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anybody can hang a shingle outside their

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door and call themselves a naturopath

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and we're under no illusions here no

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doubt whatsoever that Bodnar firmly

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believes in the woosh she's been

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peddling now for well at least since the

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1980s we can't help wonder what other

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bad advice she has given over the years

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and we also reflect on the fact that in

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the medical profession system here in

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Australia and I'm sure in many other

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countries too there are bodies and

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mechanisms in place to handle

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malpractice and bad advice and this sort

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of thing but when it comes to something

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like naturopathy where do you start

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I mean if they're using homeopathy what

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is a homeopathic board gonna come and

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say all know this cure doesn't really

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work in this case on this isn't deluded

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enough we better test it it's it's

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really a nonsense it's really a nonsense

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and I've had people in the past make the

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following argument to me that patients

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under the care of medical doctors suffer

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and die sometimes they do patients under

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the care of alternative medicine

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practitioners naturopath suffer and die

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therefore surely they're equal some

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people really do think like this now if

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you would look at that statistically far

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more people would have adverse reactions

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under the care of medical doctors

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because far far far more people go to

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medical doctors thousands and thousands

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but I wonder what the percentage is I

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wonder what the percentages and also a

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lot from what I understand it a lot of

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the so-called medication or procedures

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or a recommendation naturopaths give to

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their clients or their patients I can be

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seen as harmless anyway especially if

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it's homeopathy with no no side effects

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because homeopathy has no effects in

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this case it's obvious if you put

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somebody on a starvation diet you could

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have terrible effects and indeed

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terrible effects on on the baby in the

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case and this all reminds me of our

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friend Britta Me's who is currently

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living in Germany and as you will recall

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from reports recently on the sceptic

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Zone was under the threat of legal

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action or indeed has legal action from

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her older naturopathic college now

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getting back to this current story it's

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not known if Bodnar will appeal her

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sentence she's perfectly entitled

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legally to do that you know if they want

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to take that option that's that's their

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right and their program to do that but

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currently as it stands she will serve at

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least seven months of her sentence and I

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think that means she'll be eligible for

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parole around about November

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again I wasn't in the court I don't know

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all the arguments back and forth the

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judge would have had to consider but I

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think regardless I and I hope anyway

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this does send a very strong message to

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alternative medicine practitioners that

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they are responsible legally responsible

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for the advice they give to their

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patients and the consequences and if

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you're interested in reading the full

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report by Candice Sutton I will add a

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link in this week's show notes from the

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dawn of time

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one blood cast has unlocked the secrets

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of science and technology to enrich the

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lives of billions and now after a year

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where they've unlocked the Golden Age of

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knowledge they're about to hit warp

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speed and go stratospheric holed up on

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oh no Ross and Carrie we don't make

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extraordinary claims we investigate them

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we go undercover with fringe religious

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groups investigate paranormal claims and

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we participate in pseudo scientific

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medical treatments and then report our

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findings to you and yes we've even

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investigated

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new episodes every month at maximum fun

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org oh no Ross and Carrie they show up

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so you don't have to

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over the past six months or so it's been

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my pleasure to be part of the breakfast

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radio program on talking life style a

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radio show that was networked through

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Sydney Brisbane and Melbourne every

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Tuesday with John Stanley and Gary

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Linnell I would get on and discuss

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matters of a skeptical nature UFOs

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mysteries monsters big cats all sorts of

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things that radio network has now

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changed to a 24-hour sports network so

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last Tuesday was my last appearance on

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that particular program here's John

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which soreness is a skeptic who joins us

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every Tuesday to to run the rule over

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some of the things now I got up very

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early today because it's been quite

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emotional the last few days like a break

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up the sleeps I got very early and I'm

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trying to calm myself down so I had a

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had a Rea Doc's bath Rea Doc's bath

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salts never carried up it had the effect

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that there are other things like

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essential oils and there's music and

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there's all sorts of things you can do

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healing practices what what's iridology

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if you did have what iridology is i've

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heard about it but i don't quite know

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what it is it's about crystals oh

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they're up and borrowing by out they it

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doesn't everyone have crystals where you

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rub them over your body or just above

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the body because I have some alleged

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healing power

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now do you recommend one oi a few people

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here yeah but do you reckon on our last

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day richardsaunders from the Australian

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skeptics in the spirit of being glass

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half-full is going to come on ago you

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know what okay open mind about this

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there must be something to it let's find

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out hello Richard good morning I'm

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skeptical about you guys leaving what's

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all this well we're all we know is that

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it's a myth on us you know who knows

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Richard it could be it could be look I'm

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not skeptical about many things and you

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mentioned a nice bath doesn't matter

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what you put it if you do something in

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it and it feels nice and it relaxes you

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and it gives you peace of mind

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meditation can do that a nice massage

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you can do that the hot rocks on your

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back if it makes you feel better that's

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all it's fantastic it's all good stuff

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then we look at well are they making

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more claims than that are they making

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more claims and it makes you feel better

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if they claim you can cure diseases or

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it can do something fundamental like

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that that's when our skeptical radar

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comes up iridology what is it this is

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the bogus practice of looking in your

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eye

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have been muscle the pattern the muscle

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makes in your eye there and then giving

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you a diagnosis now everyone's got a

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unique eye print and these muscles in

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your eye means your eye contracts and

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expands when there's light yeah we've

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all seen that that's what their muscles

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do and they make a very interesting

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pattern when you look closely but some

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people think that they can study these

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patterns and say all your heart's a bit

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dodgy they're all look there's a liver

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probe

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I'm coming up I can see it in your eye

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there's no science behind this

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whatsoever

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it can be seen as a bit of harmless fun

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but like many of these things you go

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along and you have a diagnosis which

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isn't really and they miss your cancer

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growing you might delay going to see a

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real doctor

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so there's lots of dodgy stuff out there

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the crystals are the one thing that

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always gets me I mean they so wildly use

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there's a huge market for information

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about them on the web I mean but they

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don't do anything at all never science

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has looked at crystals has nothing to

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smell sure

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yeah well crystals are used I mean they

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used in the old days of crystal radio

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sets but the science is very well

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understood how they can work in those

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sort of situation like everything else

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they seem to be sort of new agey and

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natural and bit mystical so people have

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co-opted them into healing practices you

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know where this crystal and it'll

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improve this energy or where this

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crystal to bring you luck and if you're

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pregnant you can have this crystal by

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your side there's no science behind this

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it's just a marketing ploy and don't

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forget if you put the word natural on

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something it's a huge marketing boost it

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doesn't actually have to mean anything

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asbestos is natural all right now can I

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ask you a question in terms this is our

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last chance now my I've bought the new

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on-field authentic dragons jump for

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season 2018 I wore it to Game one and

552
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they won with net won four in a row

553
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there's a little bit of a tomato sauce

554
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stain down the front of it how unusual

555
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that the point is my rule is I don't

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wash the jumper after a win because I

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figure it's got yeah it's got a bit of

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good luck should I risk it and wash the

559
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jumper and risk a loss next week or

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should I just stick by and go hope we go

561
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through like 1959 unbeaten I think you

562
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should ask your household about that

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before you don't wash your clothes but

564
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just imagine all the other people at any

565
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particular football game also wearing

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what they consider to be lucky stains or

567
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lucky Underpants alike on both team what

568
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does that mean that your stain is more

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powerful than the opposing team stained

570
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you've obviously never been to a

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Collingwood game or a Tigers game right

572
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that's right they have oh they have a

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run of wins and I'll tell you what water

574
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you can barely breathe another

575
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these magnets that people seem to use

576
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yeah - they're becoming increasingly

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popular do they stand up no no I mean

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both of you right now and the guys at

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the desk there you're all wearing very

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powerful magnets right next to your head

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if they had a biological effect on your

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body you would be frying your brain or

583
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doing all sorts of crazy things we're

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all surrounded by magnet again it's like

585
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crystals people have latched on to them

586
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they're saying that they can cure all

587
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sorts of things it's it's a big placebo

588
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effect I mean if Magnus had that effect

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on the body you would all be in big

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trouble

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me too I've got a bag of things well if

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things were pointing south you could

593
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always get those strong magnets to make

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it point north you could try it I

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suppose belly

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you know when it's sailing all right my

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fine these things make my hearing

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improved actually Richard as a skeptic

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do you have any superstitions of your

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own come on

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do you ever avoid the crack in the

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footpath or the blare running across I

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do I just you know if the top of my head

604
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I can't list them for you but in day to

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day life I might do something or not do

606
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something that's just built in human

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nature I can stop and study it and think

608
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now why am I doing this or I can just

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say I'll just get on with my life and

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concentrate on more important things

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you're trying to chase cancer quakes and

612
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things like that yeah we all have

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superstitions

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well let me ask you because I'm assuming

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you don't believe in the afterlife set

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right well I would I've got no evidence

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you support that belief in the I'll have

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you have you thought about what you

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might say when you if you happen to go

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you know get in on a minute

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whoops what would you say depends on

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why didn't you spend more time on the

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water I don't know look if it ever

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happens and I get there all day oh well

625
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I was skeptical but there you go

626
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well I hope you don't get there before

627
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us but if you do can you send a message

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through just in the tales Richard if

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anybody wants to find out any more about

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ethics or claim our $100,000 prize they

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can go to skeptics comm dot a you or

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skeptic zone dot TV thank you so much

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rich has been great having you part of

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the show and a touch thank you

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continuing quest

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everything thank you okay a big thank

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you to John Stanley and Gary Linnell for

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having me as part of the breakfast

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program for so long I look forward to

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maybe one day working with you again hi

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Northern Rivers vaccination supporters

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rates of vaccination in Australia we are

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[Music]

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hello skeptic zone listeners this is

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susan gerbic the last week in march i

665
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attended the 8th annual skeptic camp in

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Fort Collins Colorado the talks were

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terrific and they are available on my

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youtube channel Richard said he will put

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up a link on the show notes and after

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the lectures are we're over I channeled

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my inner Maynard and I did my best with

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alright so I'm here talking to Hans no

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relationship with clever skeptic and

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we're all done Anna Hans was talking to

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me about you know he's been to Tammy

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he's been to some of the other skeptic

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00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:00,139
camps and he feels that business brings

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it a lot new a lot of new people so so

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why should people attend skeptic camps

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00:31:10,299 --> 00:31:07,369
what's what's the importance of doing

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something like this for me they're just

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it's a fun place to you know find people

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that like-minded people with various

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interests and things instead of a penis

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focusing on certain areas that a lot of

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00:31:38,409 --> 00:31:37,039
skeptics bike into we just don't think

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about and it gives us an opportunity for

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someone to read from

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give a presentation about something that

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they've actually spent more time

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thinking about and interesting

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00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:49,850
conversations again it's a little bit of

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a talk on why people believe and you had

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a lot of interesting insight it was kind

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of more of a primer I think to to the

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skeptic camp I thought that was really

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important that they had a little bit of

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information but didn't overwhelm us we

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said don't tell them they're wrong try

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to get them to realize it for themselves

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00:32:13,780 --> 00:32:11,540
that's true well well the thing you

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gotta know is a little bit psychology

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because when you just tell someone

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they're wrong they're not going to react

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00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:21,980
well I mean if you attack someone's poor

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00:32:26,020 --> 00:32:24,170
believes you have this sight

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00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:26,030
well-documented psychological effect

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called the backfire effect which causes

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them to entrench themselves in those

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beliefs even more commented say through

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00:32:42,150 --> 00:32:39,380
the Socratic mythology you know turn it

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in what dialogue rather than an argument

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doings of people believe this stuff and

714
00:32:50,770 --> 00:32:48,380
they're not stupid I mean y'all you've

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got unscrupulous characters exploiting

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basic psychology and you know holding

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them in and once they're pulled in is

718
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really hard to pull them out I mean you

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00:33:02,460 --> 00:33:00,020
come front them with basic facts and

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they rationalize around these friends

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wonderful

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so Michael here at this Fort Collins

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Skepta camp you've attended more than

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one skipped again first one this is your

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00:33:16,850 --> 00:33:15,179
first one have you been have you been

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attending the different meetups in the

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past like the skeptics in the pub yeah

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on and off basically for skeptic camps

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00:33:30,139 --> 00:33:28,260
are important would you say that this is

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something that people should come out to

731
00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:31,559
this is your first one what do you think

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I think that most of the groups I went

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you know like most of the times I go to

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skeptical it's very casual it's not

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really serious it's kind of a mixture of

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the two we're like one of these talks

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are very serious and they're needed

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probably more than once a year but and

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what brought you out here to this one

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well I live in the forecast areas and

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I've been looking forward to it all year

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really so we have offices while you're

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you know you guys come on so how do you

744
00:34:13,369 --> 00:34:10,830
what do you think what did you learn

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00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:13,379
anything that made you go whoa I didn't

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know that that's like a greeting like

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the cold readings and everything that's

748
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:21,859
kind of amazing how he demonstrated

749
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that's great so when somebody says to

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you there's no way anybody could know

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00:34:31,899 --> 00:34:28,740
that now you know how to answer that

752
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:35,540
yes there is so anything else

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00:34:38,889 --> 00:34:37,169
appeal to you today that makes you want

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to come out to maybe give your own

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collection in the future I love the

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sense of community for sure I think

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that's the one thing I am beat about

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like religious meetings like every

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Sunday you have that sense of community

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their incense I fell from my own

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religion

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I missed that sense of community and

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like here it's it's we just need a good

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song or something right so I say over

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here in the corner one of my my fellow

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travelers mark Edward Oh how's everybody

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out there so your second caller yes it

768
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was it was very good a lot of very

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interesting people and they're still

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talking did you hear any kind of

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lectures that made you really go I

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00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:29,579
didn't know that that was really

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00:35:34,190 --> 00:35:31,650
interesting I had no idea they were all

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00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:34,200
very good all very good I always learn a

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lot and I take a lot of mental notes

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because it's like listening to a really

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00:35:43,099 --> 00:35:41,160
good comedian I just don't have I don't

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00:35:46,940 --> 00:35:43,109
have time to jot down all the good jokes

779
00:35:48,829 --> 00:35:46,950
I just kind of give an overall view but

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I really learned a really really

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impressive

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word today that I'm going to be using in

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this announces which is called you guys

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00:36:08,099 --> 00:36:05,530
would love to hear this word you can

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00:36:12,450 --> 00:36:08,109
look it up and it sounds so magical

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Yuri eight of natrium and you know what

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it is I highly encourage everyone to

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make an effort to attend a skeptic

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gathering this year remember for every

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event the skeptic attends an angel gets

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00:36:53,930 --> 00:36:38,670
its wings

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00:36:57,930 --> 00:36:56,309
hi this is Ben Radford and this is

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Pascual Romero from the squaring the

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strange podcast every week my co-host

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and I cast a skeptical eye on a

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00:37:06,329 --> 00:37:04,420
different topic monsters ghosts demons

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00:37:08,430 --> 00:37:06,339
mysteries and even current events are

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dissected and discussed with a fun

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unscripted and skeptical take that

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you're sure to enjoy find this is

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squirting strange calm by toons or on

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[Music]

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much for science Australia Saturday the

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a well informed community is essential

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to a free and successful society we

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support education to promote broad

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public knowledge and discussion of

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scientific work as professionals parents

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and community engaged volunteers we

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enthusiastically contribute our time and

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expertise to helping children and

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students from all ages engage with the

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physical universe and biological world

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open communication publicly funded

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scientists have a responsibility to

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communicate their research and public

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outreach and accessibility of scientific

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knowledge should be encouraged

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communication of scientific findings and

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their impacts must not be suppressed

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informed policy public policy should be

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guided by peer-reviewed evidence and

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scientific consensus public policy must

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enable scientists to communicate their

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publicly funded research results and

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must support literacy in science

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technology engineering and mathematics

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stable investment a long-term strategic

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approach to investment in scientific

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research and development it is essential

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for driving a true innovation government

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commitment to stable science funding

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policy will deliver solutions to complex

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challenges promoting prosperity for all

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this ID goes on to say our

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acknowledgement

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science belongs to everyone it should be

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pursued for the benefit of all people

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and for the health of the environment we

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depend on at much for science Australia

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we acknowledge the traditional

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custodians of the Australian continent

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the Aboriginal and Torres Strait

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Islander peoples and pay our respects to

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ancestors and elders both past and

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present we recognize that science and

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scientific pursuits have been used in

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the past to disenfranchise many minority

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groups we are committed to the promotion

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of science now and into the future as an

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endeavour which all persons have the

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right to pursue and enjoy the fruits off

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regardless of age gender ethnicity

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disability sexual orientation religion

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or lack of belief political affiliation

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or socioeconomic status diversity has

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strengthened and enriched scientific

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inquiry and the inclusion of all peoples

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and the promotion of equal opportunity

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and training within science should be a

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goal pursued by scientists and

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non-scientists alike now the website has

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a link there for the various marches for

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science around Australia and I will

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mention the one in Sydney briefly cuz

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that's the one the skeptic zone will be

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at Maynard and myself and maybe some

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more reporters and more members from the

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Australian skeptics should be there ah

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the details this will be at Martin place

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at the Phillips Street intersection of

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Martin Place Saturday the 14th of April

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2018 and it starts around midday there

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will be a rally and talks as was the

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case last year when the sceptic zone

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turned up to do interviews at the end of

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the March the word is to meet and mingle

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in Hyde Park with the fellow science

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aport us now if you come along to the

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march of science in Sydney if you look

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up towards the speaker area mingling

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around there somewhere you should be of

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the spot that myself

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may nod and maybe some more people from

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the skeptic zone or the Australian

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skeptics and if you want to come up and

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say hello that would be great

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Maynard will certainly be looking for

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people

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to interview scientists and citizens

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alike but check out that website links

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in the show notes and you might be able

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to find a match for science in your area

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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thank you for listening to the skeptics

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on all that blue rip and ice cream on a

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hot autumn day is fantastic coming up

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next week on the skeptics on I hope to

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bring you reports from March for science

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I'll be running around and so will me

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not without microphones trying to score

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interviews with famous scientists and

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not so famous scientists and people in

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the street and and passing dog and

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anybody who cares to talk to us and

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again if you see us there come up and

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say hi and who knows you might end up on

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the sceptic zone thanks again to susan

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gerbic for sending me a little

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on-the-spot report from skeptic app I

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wish I could have been there I do enjoy

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skeptic amps they're very informal and a

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lot of fun thank you again to those

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people who continue to support the

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skeptic zone I've just picked up a new

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fact then that that supporter we'll be

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expecting a little thank-you for me in

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little goodies I think it's time for me

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to run downstairs and have some more ice

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cream actually I'll do that but for this

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week this is Richard Saunders signing

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off from Sydney Australia you've been

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